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we did find some other things one of them
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curled and was made of uh manganese and the
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very rare for any commercial products on Earth
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of these wires and we don't find them that's
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what is up guys welcome to somewhere in the
live stream here at somewhere in the skies

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I am your host Ryan Sprague and Happy Father's
Day first and foremost to all our dads out

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there I see my dad in the chat there so a
special shout out to him wishing him and all

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the dads out there a very Happy Father's Day
today including our guest co-host for tonight

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so let's not waste any more time let's bring
him in we have so much to cover so much UFO

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and space news podcast highlights of the week
it has been an insane few months here in the

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UFO world so we're gonna break all of it down
with the one the only Vinnie Adams what is

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up brother what is up Ryan thank you so much
for having me man yeah I'm really excited

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for this conversation we're going to cover
all the news so yeah thank you man of course

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of course I knew it's been a while since we
had you on actually the last time I had you

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on was literally the night all the objects
started getting shot down around the uh North

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America so that was that was crazy and now
look at where we are less than like two and

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a half months later and now we have whistleblowers
coming forward it's just I I want to get your

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opinion on all of it and all of it all of
it all of it um but before we do that um I

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do want to say hello to everyone in the chat
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from our audience um that's not what we're
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latest UFO news um and space news so I mean
let's just let's start with that man we've

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got this amazing story and while we're while
I'm bringing up the story I forgot to upload

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my slideshow for tonight my famous slideshows
here at somewhere in the sky so what I'm gonna

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do is read a little bit of the story and um
get your thoughts on that and do a little

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backstage stuff with getting that going um
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cover tonight this comes from the debrief
and um this is really exciting phosphates

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found in ocean of Saturn's and solidus moon
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so I'm going to run through this as quick
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of seawater erupting into space from Saturn's
moon and silatus has revealed the presence

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of organic phosphates in the enormous subsurface
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along with previous findings of other organic
compounds key to life on Earth this latest

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Discovery means that all six elements considered
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in enceladus's subsurface ocean it confirmed
this finding dramatically increase it if confirmed

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excuse me this finding dramatically increases
the chances that life including com complex

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forms of life may be residing within our cosmic
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the research team used data collected from
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that data was gathered by Cassini back in
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in the atmosphere of Saturn so it went out
with a bang man it got possibly the um the

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best data it could have to possibly prove
that there could be some sort of Life on this

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Moon um to kind of wrap up here while further
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of phosphates and the previous finding of
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that it is time to send a probe to insulate
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life I don't I can't think of a better way
to start the show Man story so what did you

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make of this when you first heard about it
do you know what I think it's really exciting

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when we hear about stuff that's going on in
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and the Cassini probe when it died in 2017
you know anytime you hear that these probes

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that are out in space they disappear they
stop working it's always kind of a sad thing

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but then the fact is that this data is still
kind of being analyzed and you know people

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are working hard with it and then with this
this particular case when we're looking at

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Enceladus we're looking for six elements and
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of captured we knew they were there and we
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kind of element and now we have this confirmation
of the that it exists and not only that it

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exists but it could be as much as a hundred
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it's a big plume that's been shown into space
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are still working on it and still able to
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from the data I find just super exciting you're
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to send something there you know I mean why
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things uh we are going to be sending things
to our moon um but it seems to me that this

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is Target number one at this point if we're
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a hundred times more yeah like that's that's
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of Life there I mean it's it's exciting to
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but you know when we're talking about complex
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enceladas could you know pertain to life as
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that you know we're talking about proper complex
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Earth and that is where the excitement for
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what happened is somehow a piece of this Moon
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a ride and came to Earth that's the only explanation
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alien thing we have right I mean that it's
it makes perfect sense those theories have

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been flying around for so long that octopi
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shouldn't be here they don't kind of fit in
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whether it be marine life or even life on
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creature that kind of fit into that category
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right yeah I love that I love it it's almost
romantic that they kind of could come from

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outside of our planet I know man well and
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you and I someone you know we live breathe
in sleep UFOs that we can have these two kind

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of Divergent conversations yeah possible biological
life on another planet while a lot of our

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other conversations we talk about life already
visiting intelligent life having already visited

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our planet but hey man this is where the true
conversation lays somewhere in the middle

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where these two things can kind of converge
and I I can't think of a better way to kind

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of transition to our next story and that's
um NASA NASA is now getting in the game of

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finally looking into UFOs and you know we
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um so I guess let's start there I haven't
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uh stream what were your initial thoughts
in watching that and what did you take away

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from the NASA panel I mean I'll take a step
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was putting together this 16 person panel
to kind of look at the potentials of putting

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together a panel to do a a UAP research program
or a UAP research study let's say so it wasn't

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put together to do this to do the study straight
away this is why the hundred thousand dollars

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was like frowned upon and like that's not
enough to do a study but it was really to

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kind of Garner an idea of how it would go
forward to to do that and you know there's

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never been a lot of trust in the UFO Community
when it comes to NASA it's automatically NASA

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have been portrayed as the the never a straight
answer they're part of the cover-up and all

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that thing but I think it's the same as when
we look at the government we have to break

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it down into these small components that the
people in NASA now as far as this panel goes

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they're not the kind of people that would
be read into the history anyway so it's good

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to see that we have a new some new eyes looking
at this and especially from a scientific perspective

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that's what we've been crying out for a long
time for for Science and Academia to get on

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board with this subject so you know it was
good to to see the panel happen it was even

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better to see that it happened on a public
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for four hours or whatever it was you know
to listen to these people and it may not be

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the answers that we want where they're talking
about alien life and all this but it's all

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these potentials and possibilities that I
find quite exciting the fact that they're

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willing to entertain these things and not
just brush them off and some of the panel

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members are probably more possibly accepting
of theories than others and that's great but

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it's a beginning it's a real beginning to
show that the public conversation is willing

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to be had by such a big entity such as NASA
exactly and you mentioned kind of new and

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fresh perspectives and that is where our next
story comes in um you're looking at Paula

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bontempi who is a oceanographer in earth science
uh teacher and she actually works for NASA

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as well and she was one of the members on
this panel um and this story actually came

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to us from inverse this past week which I
thought was really cool um getting in oceanographers

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perspective on all of this and what role the
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I'm going to go ahead and read a little bit
of this so we talked about the panel um Paula

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is an oceanographer at the University of Rhode
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director of earth science at Nasa and she
is one of the team members uh she was asked

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by inverse about the role the ocean plays
in studying the cosmos and UAP and I'm going

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to quote her exactly from the article here
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me to participate as an oceanographer and
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Nasa so it seemed like a really exciting opportunity
the really cool thing was I probably never

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would have interacted with this group of people
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in general we study the propagation of light
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the atmosphere and then through the air sea
interface interface think about it if you've

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ever been diving into a swimming pool or swimming
underwater and you open your eyes the further

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down you go the darker it gets sometimes you
can even see the interplay of the light with

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the stuff that's in the water it's almost
like seeing the Rays of the sun penetrating

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the ocean so using satellites we can detect
sunlight in the upper layer of the ocean we

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can also tell what's in the ocean from satellites
which is kind of mind-blowing if you think

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about it we can tell what's living from what's
dead sometimes we can tell what types of algae

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or other organisms are in the ocean NASA is
continually developing new technologies and

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approaches to actually detail that information
about our Earth system better NASA explores

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the furthest reaches of the universe and also
the deepest depths of what's happening on

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our planet that's very exciting the UAP team
could actually use that information we're

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trying to figure out what is UAP and can NASA
data and Technology be used to understand

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this I mean there we go I mean you look no
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yeah we're gonna take a line here from the
live chat Carolina Garcia says the ocean possibilities

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are endless and that's the thing when it comes
to this subject and we hear about UFOs and

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the ocean and we hear about trans medium these
buzzwords that have been thrown around for

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the last few years specifically you know you
have all these theories are these objects

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coming from the ocean are they using the ocean
as some kind of power source have they always

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been in the ocean you know and then you look
really deep into the depths of these uh Realms

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that have not been explored and we go back
to that same old cliche of we know more about

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the moon than we do the oceans then you look
at things like hydrothermal vents you know

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what is below these things you know look at
all these possibilities of potentialities

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of the origins of what could live or or utilize
our oceans and for me I find that like just

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super exciting the way that that could go
and I think the more studies that are done

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by people like Paula Bond Tempe and and the
research people that she's involved with um

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it's just you know look at Noah Noah uh regularly
collecting data on this kind of thing and

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you know I wouldn't be surprised if they've
got some interesting tracks on there sonars

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and all that kind of interesting stuff and
their sensor system so yeah the oceans for

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me are still ill or have become just as exciting
as kind of space absolutely I'm so glad you

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brought up Noah because they're now involved
too and like you said it's just more sensor

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systems that we can now look at that was the
big issue with all these shootdowns of you

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know spy balloons this that and and um you
know what what's NORAD you know their sensors

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weren't where they needed to be and now that
they've opened the scope um we're going to

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find more things in our skies and possibly
now in our oceans which is good both for National

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defense purposes but also from a scientific
perspective yeah so I think that's awesome

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now that NASA is kind of um going to lead
the quote-unquote research and investigation

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and hand that data over to Arrow you know
who's looking at this from a National Defense

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sort of thing and NASA is looking at it from
a scientific perspective uh that's what we

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need we need both in my opinion at least absolutely
yeah no no for sure this is the thing you

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know we've been crying hang out for this kind
of research to be done both within the government

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within scientific community and Academia and
sometimes when it comes to us the way things

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have come to us recently we don't always seem
to agree with it but look we weren't here

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five six years ago you know pre look at pre-2017
it was it was it was non-existent in the scientific

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community so you know we may all have our
kind of expectations about the way that things

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should be progressing with the speed that
things are are picking up but let's just take

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it for what it is like that we're here we've
got the right mind starting to look at it

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let's see how that develops absolutely absolutely
Um well hey we're going to stick with the

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ocean because this is probably one of my favorite
stories from tonight from one of my favorite

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people and that's avilobe I have to shamelessly
admit I am a super fan of everything this

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guy is doing um I remember the first time
I interviewed him like a week after his first

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book came out and I was so nervous I had no
idea what the hell I was doing our connection

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was terrible and he was just such a trooper
and he made the information about these Interstellar

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objects so accessible to people who've never
thought about this um and he's continuing

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to do that and continuing his work with the
Galileo project and how exciting is this they've

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gone on their first expedition to try to retrieve
elements of the first Interstellar object

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that landed in the Pacific Ocean um not only
is that exciting but they may have found their

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first object as it were yeah um so let me
go ahead and read this let's get the uh the

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old slideshow up here anomalous fragment found
by Avi lobes Expedition team in Pacific Ocean

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site of the first Interstellar object so you're
seeing you know the members in that top image

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here guys if you're watching this on YouTube
um if you're listening to this in the future

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in podcast form highly suggest coming over
to here to YouTube we got a bunch of visuals

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for you um below that you've got avilo actually
looking at this quote-unquote wire that they

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found um so to kind of I guess preface this
what they're doing is they created these huge

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huge magnets that they're dragging at the
bottom the floor of the Pacific Ocean out

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near uh Papua New Guinea and um just dragging
it and trying to pick up anything they can

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and you know we know that meteorites are often
magnetic uh they should be at least so they

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should be able to pick up fragments of this
thing if any of it did end up there um and

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also any possible signatures of technology
that may have been attached to these this

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object when it entered the Earth's atmosphere
um so yeah they're they're doing this very

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cool experiment where they're just going to
um locations where they believe this thing

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landed according to the research that they
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longer than that I think um and lo and behold
like three days in they found something which

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is almost too good to be true um gonna be
completely honest on that but let me read

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a little bit of this here um a meteor from
Interstellar space was detected by the US

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government on January 8th of 2014. before
disintegrating in three flares 20 kilometers

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above the Pacific ocean surface this half
meter sized object would eventually sprinkle

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across the ocean floor um so like I said they
dragged this magnet they found this thing

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the wire is an eight millimeter long object
and curved twice with a rigid structure analyzation

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took place and they concluded that its composition
is anomalous compared to human-made Alloys

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for the composition analysis they used an
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analyzer the wire has two composition Peaks
at magnanese maganese excuse me and platinum

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so high high Trace elements of these in here
which makes it very uncommon for most other

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Alloys out there so what do you make of this
man um I've been following this story like

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crazy obvious posting diary entries almost
Moment by moment with all of this and being

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extremely transparent in everything they're
doing so yeah let's start there what do you

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make of this Expedition and what do you make
of this finding I mean I'll take it I'll take

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it back a little bit further just for a moment
just to get go back to kind of let's talk

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about and the excitement that AVI has always
had when it comes to that object you know

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when he's been talking about it on multiple
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his passion about the the genuine quality
of his research and and the work that he does

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and so you know when it comes down to the
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that's amazing you know and I was very very
blessed to have a conversation with Avi about

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three or four weeks ago prior to this to this
Mission and to see that excitement and the

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anxiety about potentially what they might
find and you know when they are going to these

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sites to find such small specific items in
the vastness of the ocean it's it's a big

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ask but you know looking at the articles that
we've seen him putting out in the last few

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days through the debrief and through his own
medium site it's really kept us up to date

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with the work that's been going on and we're
hearing about these codes for the names of

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the the site the I am one site and this object
has killed wire that they they found is1-2

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you know they're really keeping us really
up to scope with literally everything Moment

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by moment and the excitement that they're
seeing when they find these compositions are

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anomalous in the things they're finding really
really keeps us in in touch with things and

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I'm I'm really excited for the work that they're
doing and I really hope that they come back

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with something conclusive I imagine that they're
going to have to come back and double check

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everything but for now like I'm just so so
hyped for everything Abby's doing and I can't

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wait that's the thing you can see the excitement
in this guy I always I always attribute it

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to what he coins his childlike wonder which
a lot of people in his field don't have anymore

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they've been you know stuck in this rigid
scientific method and ex in my opinion highly

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limited scientific method for a very long
time and someone like Avi who gets a lot of

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[\h__\h] man to be completely honest from
his peers um doesn't care he will suffer the

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slings and arrows to do what he thinks is
right and um use his resources his valuable

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resources uh to do that so and I mean I didn't
even know this I tripped upon this today I

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don't know how the hell I missed this but
this isn't the only Interstellar meteorite

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that has landed and that he's going to be
looking at uh he also has another Expedition

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already set up to go to Portugal where a possible
other Interstellar meteorite crash landed

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as well so I mean this dude's just going to
be having these Expeditions going on all over

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the world looking at these things for possible
techno signatures or not like he's not saying

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that this thing we're looking at right now
is as he kind of joke alien hair you know

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um he's just saying it's anomalous it's not
what you would expect to find and he's also

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been open and said we have found trash down
here we found paint cans we you know we there

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was white paint found on our magnet because
it actually hit like a paint can down there

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that some probably Navy vessel dropped over
um at some point uh they found other trash

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down there so I would imagine it's got to
be frustrating to also be dealing with that

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when you're also looking for these tiny tiny
almost microscopic fibers of a crashed media

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right it can't be easy no and this speaks
to the quality of the work that he does you

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know he said when they pulled this particular
wire that they found in in the oceans off

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Papua New Guinea when they pulled it up onto
the ship he feared about contamination about

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the ship's deck about could that have affected
the results that they've gotten these are

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the details and the the finest small things
that they go into when looking at this and

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that then that think about that when it reflects
to the work that he does when genuinely looking

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for UAP with the sensor systems he now has
with the Galileo project he's not just doing

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this like oh let's look what we can see he's
he's gonna dial down right into the details

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about this he's not doing this excuse my French
half-assed he's going he's doing it properly

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as a scientist should as a tenured professor
should and I think this is nothing but beneficial

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to us as the UFO community absolutely man
again he's doing his thing everyone else is

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doing their thing at some point all of this
is going to converge and we're gonna find

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some answers to UAP and these anomalous Interstellar
objects coming into our solar system it's

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just I can't believe we're living in this
these times it's crazy I love it I love it

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um and someone said in the chat I missed it
um Jess said I donated to obvious trip I encourage

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others to do the same if you're able totally
I'm all for that um I know AVI has a new book

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coming out this summer Interstellar so that
will definitely help support his further efforts

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as well um I have a copy of it somewhere back
here um I know you'll probably be speaking

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to him uh around the same time I am when he
does the interview circuit so um we can't

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wait we can't wait I've already dug into the
book it's freaking it's awesome um I love

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it I love it I know some people in the chat
aren't fans of avilobe and that's totally

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fine like to each their own but what he's
doing can't hurt like let's be completely

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honest um I agree I'm really looking forward
to to this Expedition um do you have any idea

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of any um how long the Expedition is going
for do they have like a time limit or a resource

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limit have you looked into that at all I have
um that's a good question I know when I spoke

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to Avi I think I think a few weeks were mentioned
but uh again I didn't I didn't dig down I

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think it was a case of let's see what they
can kind of do um I'm sure there's a financial

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cut off as well because these things these
Expeditions and chartering these kind of scientific

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vessels must cost a lot and I'm sure he's
not gonna you know push it too far but I'm

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thinking a few weeks um yeah so Avi if you're
out there come home

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exactly exactly right yeah they got a big
team too man they got a big team out there

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and they're out there they're out in the literally
in the middle of nowhere you know they really

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are dialing down on these very very small
precise kind of uh coordinates you know to

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find to find what they're actually looking
for is is a huge Mission but they've done

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I know they've done the right amount of preparation
for it when I spoke to Avi you know he kind

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of gave me a brief explanation of that and
you know if they're going to find something

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if it's there they will find it whatever it
turns out to be it will be you know and the

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fact that they're starting to find something
with anomalous compositions is exciting but

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you know let's let's give them a chance to
get it back and do that with like full analysis

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that that needs to happen give them a chance
give them a chance exactly like you know they

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can do some raw you know gorilla tests on
the vessel but exactly until they get it back

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in a lab and like you said get a peer reviewed
it means nothing um tonight actually I have

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an episode releasing with a geologist who
has had metal fragments from the possible

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UFO uh Roswell UFO crash site tested and I
asked him I'm like so what will it take you

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know if you find something highly anomalous
what will it take for the public to accept

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that this crashed this came from like a UFO
he said well it'll at least take three labs

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to come up with the same exact conclusion
different Labs accredited peer-reviewed papers

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like it's not just as simple as um as I thought
in my very naive days of oh let me bring this

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to to one lab and if they tell me it's alien
it's definitely alien that's not how this

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stuff works let me ask you a question on this
Ryan if you don't mind because weren't you

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out there when these these materials were
acquired as well oh there weren't you I was

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at the site where they were found um I do
like to make it clear I was not there when

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the actual pieces were found okay um yeah
so I do like to make that clear I did not

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witness these things being found however however
uh Frank kimbler the gentleman I I worked

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with on this Roswell investigation I did a
couple years ago um he went out last week

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and on camera mind you found more fragments
out at the site um and this is all documented

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and proven so you know a lot of people are
like oh he just found these things and threw

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them out there or or said they were from there
not the case I know for a fact that did not

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happen I've seen the work this guy's done
um however I was not there so I can't 100

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definitively say that um but I trust him that
these things were found out there um especially

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after having gone out there and you know there
there's there are signs that there are stuff

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out there let's let's be I mean that that's
all I could really say at this point no I

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appreciate it there were stuff that the military
probably did not retrieve I appreciate you

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saying that I really do but I think that's
still really exciting the fact that you have

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been boots on the ground with Frank Kimber
as well and you know it's not surprising that

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maybe one day potentially these things we
might get small fragments that were missed

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by the government and it's nice to know these
things are being tested so we're still looking

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at these potentials of you know exciting results
from things that that lead back to pla you

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know big cases like Roswell that you might
think are done and dusted there's no way we'll

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ever know the truth but there are still little
potentials out there and I find that really

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exciting and you know it's nice to know that
you know these researchers you've been there

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and you understand the work that goes into
these kind of retrievals of potential pieces

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yeah man it's not easy and it's all a lot
of hard work and sometimes sometimes just

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pure happenstance and sure you know Frank
will be the first to admit some of the stuff

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he found out there easily just trash easily
just something explainable and avilobe is

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being very open about that too yeah we're
fighting trash even at the bottom of the the

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Pacific Ocean um they're not saying this stuff
is alien Frank's not saying that either so

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that's when I know I can trust these people
that they're doing the good work so um we

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do have some updates on some of the tests
that were done on the Roswell fragments um

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that you will hear in the episode premiering
tonight uh so I hope people will tune in for

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that um and their starting tests on these
new fragments they found this past week so

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dude again fragments from possible UFOs whistleblowers
coming forward saying we have partially intact

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craft it's all coming together I love it I
love it um I do want to uh quickly shout out

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both Michelle and uh cam fuzzy for the super
chats guys thank you um cam says 10 years

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ago Harvard scientists on site live streaming
while attempting to recover Interstellar extraterrestrial

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artifacts haha fake

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I know man it's crazy 2023. um Ryan Baker
actually one of our regulars here has a interesting

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question which we will get to later in the
show because I know you worked on this a little

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bit Vinnie any truth that allegedly to the
1933 Italy crash Ryan stay tuned we'll get

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there man we will definitely get there um
and Jazz Shaw with a super chat stay on this

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Ryan the Avi lope story is going Untold in
the mainstream media thus far I know um so

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honestly kind of the David grush story did
too um it kind of broke into the mainstream

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media and we'll talk about that we'll talk
about that a lot actually later in the show

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um but Vinnie let's get to our next story
um be until Avi finds some more alien hair

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we'll leave it at that guys with that one
uh this I don't know what to make of this

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story Vinnie so um but either way Excuse me
while I go through puberty um this Sunday

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evening June 18th multiple Witnesses claim
they saw fighter jets engage with a UFO over

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Michigan so uh let me read this several witnesses
reported seeing a pair of F-16 fighter jets

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engaged in a quote unquote dogfight with a
UFO last week over bad acts in Michigan and

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I bring up bad acts for a reason uh in just
a moment here Vinnie following their UFO setting

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they reported what they had seen to the National
UFO Reporting Center or new Fork the primary

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witness Christopher Christopher bilbrey a
military veteran reported that quote myself

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my wife and two co-workers were helping move
my camper when we heard an ear-shattering

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afterburner onto what I think or F-16 or F-22
fighter jets flying together while dog fighting

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something they would Circle fast as they could
looking intently for something circling the

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sun around about two or three times and suddenly
there was this white metallic disc hard to

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see because it was shining with the sun it
seemed to hide in the Sun from the fighters

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who obviously couldn't see it the UAP was
extremely fast it was capable of overtaking

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and outmaneuvering the fighter jets with ease
it would overtake a jet stop suddenly and

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seem to turn toward the incoming jet without
moving the jet shot anti-missile flares the

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fighters took off together repeating this
attack approximately three times before taking

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off in an ear-shattering retreat the UAP sat
in the Sun a moment longer and seemed to circle

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the area almost as if in a Victory lap it
then departed with absolutely no sound in

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complete opposite direction of the fighter
jets that had flown so four days after the

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initial UFO sighting bilbrey says the fighter
jets returned to the same spot as the same

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day as the same time of day firing flares
again that's interesting um remnants of other

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UFO sightings we'll talk about in a sec um
Huron County Sheriff Kelly Hansen said his

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office received no reports of the incident
but if the fighter jets were f-16s they would

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have been scrambled from the 180th Fighter
Wing in Toledo Ohio okay um I have my personal

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opinions on this Vinnie let's get your thoughts
first what do you make of this story out of

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badax Miss Michigan the first things I noted
from this case when I first saw it were some

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of the points that you really just did raise
there the fact that this UAP or whatever it

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was was capable of overtaking it out maneuvering
these fighter jets stopping on a dime and

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just basically toying with these Jets now
that is like the story that we hear almost

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in fantasy of the way that these UAB uh excuse
me I shouldn't say fantasy reports of UAP

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being able to outmaneuver our current capabilities
when it comes to fighter jets but and it's

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a great story and it's exciting but you know
since then as well we've had three local military

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bases state that they had no fighter jets
in the area at this time you know and this

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is kind of the kind of statements that that
we expect but we've had multiple Witnesses

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saying they didn't even just hear the fighter
jets they saw them they saw you know these

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these planes flying around and and some of
them have been honest and said that the distance

386
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and that the height of these Jets it was very
difficult to kind of see any kind of detail

387
00:39:57,690 --> 00:40:04,619
so could this be misinterpretation absolutely
could it be a mylar balloon absolutely but

388
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it all just fits into kind of a very exciting
story potentially showing a dogfight I don't

389
00:40:11,380 --> 00:40:20,300
know man it's it's crazy a story a story yeah
exactly yeah well I mean in Michigan has such

390
00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:26,010
a sordid history with UFOs I mean the the
term you know swamp gas is coined from a case

391
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in Michigan and dating back to the Project
Blue Book days um what else we haven't there

392
00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:41,329
was uh Jazz Sean I actually did a whole episode
on a wave of UFOs that were seen um over Michigan

393
00:40:41,329 --> 00:40:48,940
uh you've got the objects shot down over Lake
Huron recently um crazy uh and the last one

394
00:40:48,940 --> 00:40:54,390
the last one video on a bra this actually
came to my attention by uh UFO researcher

395
00:40:54,390 --> 00:41:02,099
Erica Lukes who tweeted this today actually
a really fun story um about a alien hoax that

396
00:41:02,099 --> 00:41:08,680
took place in bad ax Michigan the same exact
place um where this quote unquote story was

397
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:14,440
talking about right now took place and I wanted
to read this for an obvious reason motorists

398
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,780
around bad ax Michigan suffered unearthly
scares when a figure in a space helmet long

399
00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:24,720
cape skin tight uniform and Boots loomed before
their headlights then disappeared police arrested

400
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:34,500
Jerry Sprague 22 who confessed to pulling
the prank in a suit of underwear spreg I've

401
00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:40,620
created a UFO hoax in bad acts Michigan I
just I had to point this out it was way too

402
00:41:40,620 --> 00:41:47,260
synchronistic with what we're talking about
tonight dude that's amazing I mean I I see

403
00:41:47,260 --> 00:41:55,000
like the sand people from Star Wars combined
with you know it's amazing pulling a prank

404
00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:02,010
in a suit of underwear so that is a whole
Institute of the dude's dirty dirty whites

405
00:42:02,010 --> 00:42:08,080
I guess I don't know I don't know but crazy
crazy terrifying if I were to see that thing

406
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:13,700
I'm not gonna lie I think badax is just the
coolest name for anything to be cited in though

407
00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:15,320
to be honest yeah absolutely

408
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:24,751
they gotta get that on a t-shirt yesterday
in my personal opinion Robert says is that

409
00:42:24,751 --> 00:42:30,830
a uh is that an uncle of yours yeah yeah I
think it is definitely definitely keeping

410
00:42:30,830 --> 00:42:37,780
the UFO hoaxes in the family for sure um awesome
dude we are breezing through these UFO stories

411
00:42:37,780 --> 00:42:42,560
because they got some awesome podcast highlights
that I want to cover with you as well Vinnie

412
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,720
um guys if you haven't already please like
the video I see a lot of people at chat saying

413
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:54,210
yo 200 watching come on come on let's get
those likes up if you don't mind I would be

414
00:42:54,210 --> 00:43:02,240
very appreciative moving on to our next story
our hero our you know person really pushing

415
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:08,380
a lot of this Senator Kirsten gillibrand she
made some comments on the recent whistleblower

416
00:43:08,380 --> 00:43:14,280
claims of UFO final really exactly the UFO
crash retrieval program so let's go ahead

417
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:19,590
and read these finally someone in Congress
is commenting other than you know the the

418
00:43:19,590 --> 00:43:25,650
usual people out there doing it um quote we
need to just look into whether there are rogue

419
00:43:25,650 --> 00:43:31,670
sap programs that no one is providing oversight
for the goal for me will be to have a hearing

420
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:39,110
on that and and at some point so that we can
assess if these saps actually exist and Sap's

421
00:43:39,110 --> 00:43:44,220
guys are special access programs I'm sure
most of you know that but some may not um

422
00:43:44,220 --> 00:43:49,780
so if there are saps out there that are somehow
outside of the normal chain of command and

423
00:43:49,780 --> 00:43:56,370
outside the normal Appropriations process
they have to divulge that to Congress she

424
00:43:56,370 --> 00:44:01,640
says um and this is in reference to David
grush The Whistleblower who came forward whether

425
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:07,030
or not she believes it or if there's any truth
to it she says quote I have no idea so I'm

426
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:12,981
going to do the work and analyze it and figure
it out what do you think what do you think

427
00:44:12,981 --> 00:44:18,760
Vinnie um finally someone's commenting on
this other than like you know a few Rogue

428
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,890
news stations and whatnot we finally have
jailbrand on the record saying if these special

429
00:44:23,890 --> 00:44:27,800
access programs exist we need to go find them
and we need to figure out what's going on

430
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,070
yeah what do you think it was nice it's nice
to hear her voice obviously after you know

431
00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:39,730
her being such a a proponent for this subject
I think the only maybe slight negative side

432
00:44:39,730 --> 00:44:45,070
that I would get from that is that she's been
very much a supporter of this subject where

433
00:44:45,070 --> 00:44:50,150
she says I'm gonna do this I'm gonna make
sure of this I'm gonna get to the bottom of

434
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:55,270
it and in that statement she made it it there
wasn't that language that we've heard before

435
00:44:55,270 --> 00:45:00,369
from her and that that might be me just being
slightly paranoid it doesn't seem like she

436
00:45:00,369 --> 00:45:05,430
is as forthcoming as she has been in the past
like I need to know this I need to you know

437
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:10,339
there's not so much so many eyes in this because
we know she has the power to do this so I

438
00:45:10,339 --> 00:45:15,690
just hope that I'm kind of reading into that
too much because you know we heard other sentences

439
00:45:15,690 --> 00:45:20,930
and Congress people come out before her uh
when David grush came out uh who were making

440
00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:25,351
statements and we were waiting for her we're
waiting for her to say something as such a

441
00:45:25,351 --> 00:45:32,099
big supporter of the UAP subject and so you
know a little bit of a red flag maybe but

442
00:45:32,099 --> 00:45:37,960
I'm not gonna kind of uh put my hat on it
too much yeah absolutely yeah I mean these

443
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:44,359
are initial comments now that the word is
out there on these special access programs

444
00:45:44,359 --> 00:45:50,720
hopefully more of these Congress members will
be like there's nothing a congress member

445
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:56,900
likes more than being in the know in like
having something over other Congress members

446
00:45:56,900 --> 00:46:03,160
so like if you could be the one to kind of
be like hey I know about these saps I know

447
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:09,030
about these crash retrieval programs I know
the names of them I know this um they're gonna

448
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:13,559
they're gonna inquire they're gonna look into
it and they wanna be the one to like bring

449
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:19,619
this to the public who they essentially work
for exactly yeah so I don't know if that puts

450
00:46:19,619 --> 00:46:25,030
a little bit of like trepidation in in the
way things are going I don't I'm not ready

451
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:30,569
to kind of go down that disappointment route
yet I think the process is gonna be so long

452
00:46:30,569 --> 00:46:35,280
and drawn out with everything that we know
these senators and Congress people are dealing

453
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:41,390
with on a daily basis outside of the UFO UAB
conversation I'll put it down to that for

454
00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:46,180
now but let's talk six months down the line
if we're still not getting big statements

455
00:46:46,180 --> 00:46:52,520
and and uh affirmations from them then maybe
it's just time to start worrying and putting

456
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:57,839
a bit a bit more pressure on I mean I don't
know I'm just I'm not ready to kind of be

457
00:46:57,839 --> 00:47:03,230
deflated by it but let's keep an eye on the
way that they're saying things absolutely

458
00:47:03,230 --> 00:47:10,500
it's all in the wording if we've learned anything
in the past couple years if not weeks um so

459
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:16,160
yeah I look forward I hope she does look into
this and I hope she does it um for the public

460
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,319
and I hope this goes somewhere and doesn't
sort of fizzle for sure you're right let's

461
00:47:20,319 --> 00:47:26,480
keep the pressure keep the pressure on them
well let's kind of talk about this story that

462
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:32,470
has something tangentially to do with UAP
and that's the new bill a new bill that directs

463
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:39,910
FAA to track Airborne objects that may pose
Collision threat to aviators um let's see

464
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:45,300
here a new bill introduced by the house transportation
and infrastructure community in the United

465
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:50,380
States includes language that will task the
Federal Aviation Administration with tracking

466
00:47:50,380 --> 00:47:58,119
objects deemed to be a risk resulting from
Airborne debris the bipartisan FAA reauthorization

467
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:04,020
Bill introduced June 9th is intended to amend
title 49 in the current U.S code and will

468
00:48:04,020 --> 00:48:11,309
reauthorize and approve the FAA and other
civil aviation programs IT addresses Airborne

469
00:48:11,309 --> 00:48:16,800
debris collision avoidance and it directs
the FAA in coordination with the U.S Secretary

470
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:22,960
of Transportation Pete butterjudge to establish
a program to track objects that are potential

471
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:28,930
sources of of Airborne debris and to establish
a database continuing data and information

472
00:48:28,930 --> 00:48:35,430
of such objects significantly the bill once
it passes will expand the faa's priorities

473
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:42,569
to include Space Traffic management with the
institution of its own space situational awareness

474
00:48:42,569 --> 00:48:48,270
facilities potentially resulting in overlap
with the U.S agencies that track objects that

475
00:48:48,270 --> 00:48:55,579
are presently orbiting Earth so I know I have
an image up on the screen here of a UFO but

476
00:48:55,579 --> 00:49:02,030
a lot of this has to do with debris whether
it's balloons whether it's drones whether

477
00:49:02,030 --> 00:49:07,490
it's now we're seeing they're going you know
even to the upper atmosphere um possibly space

478
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:12,370
debris as well so yeah what do you think of
this new bill and um is this something the

479
00:49:12,370 --> 00:49:16,770
UFO Community should be keeping an eye on
I think it's definitely interesting this is

480
00:49:16,770 --> 00:49:21,809
the house transportation and infrastructure
committee now they're introducing languages

481
00:49:21,809 --> 00:49:29,339
through the FAA through the FAA sorry of tracking
objects deemed to be resulting from debris

482
00:49:29,339 --> 00:49:34,119
now we understand there are there is Airborne
debris there is space debris whether it be

483
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:42,680
in low earth or low earth orbit or elsewhere
but they're talking about potentials of stuff

484
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:48,970
it that is in lower foot orbit interacting
with airline pilots and stuff like that and

485
00:49:48,970 --> 00:49:53,630
so that's that's I find that interesting in
itself but then they're talking about there

486
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:59,660
is certain things that are that is classified
and it's very easy for People Like Us in the

487
00:49:59,660 --> 00:50:06,800
UFO Community to read into well objects moving
between mediums of low earth orbit and into

488
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,890
kind of Aerospace where you know we're talking
about civilian aircraft and you know I have

489
00:50:11,890 --> 00:50:18,800
a lot of private conversations with current
serving Pilots all the time and I know that

490
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,470
this is the the kind of thing they're talking
when it comes to civil aviation and the potentials

491
00:50:23,470 --> 00:50:29,340
of flight safety hazards and things like that
so the FAA we've had whistleblowers from the

492
00:50:29,340 --> 00:50:34,220
FAA speak before you know you look back at
2001 with the disclosure project with Stephen

493
00:50:34,220 --> 00:50:39,060
Greer we had some major figures from the FAA
it seemed they've been quite quiet on the

494
00:50:39,060 --> 00:50:45,530
subject in the last few years I think this
is all kind of painting a picture to me and

495
00:50:45,530 --> 00:50:50,500
I'm maybe using some biases there as well
but you know these are the kind of administrations

496
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:56,790
that we need to starve listen to and and hope
that they start talking about anomalous objects

497
00:50:56,790 --> 00:51:04,270
as well as the US government right exactly
um well I guess to kind of play off of that

498
00:51:04,270 --> 00:51:09,030
do you think Ryan Graves organization has
anything to do with this I know they're more

499
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:14,570
civilian run and this is an actual you know
government-funded thing but do you think they'll

500
00:51:14,570 --> 00:51:20,700
be coordinating at all I'd like to think so
um I wouldn't like to say either way whether

501
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:24,420
they've influenced this kind of thing I like
to think that the government can can do this

502
00:51:24,420 --> 00:51:28,780
kind of thing off their own back you know
that they don't need civilian organizations

503
00:51:28,780 --> 00:51:33,280
to kick kick them up the butt and say come
on you need to to start doing something about

504
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:38,930
this but uh you never know do you I mean I
think a lot of this may be to do with the

505
00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:44,400
debacle that we saw earlier in the year with
these uh well with the one with the one Chinese

506
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:50,250
balloon that we know about the other three
objects that are yet to be kind of confirmed

507
00:51:50,250 --> 00:51:55,210
I think that whole mess I think we're seeing
something coming out of that maybe because

508
00:51:55,210 --> 00:52:00,890
we know the FAA was involved we know NORAD
was involved and it was a mess it was an absolute

509
00:52:00,890 --> 00:52:05,950
mess and that we never got any clarification
even when we got to the level of White House

510
00:52:05,950 --> 00:52:11,140
briefings we never got any clarification we
saw senators and Congress people coming out

511
00:52:11,140 --> 00:52:16,400
of meetings saying we haven't learned anything
further from those meetings the frustration

512
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,880
was evident so maybe we're seeing some kind
of progression from that to kind of lay out

513
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,800
some groundwork going forward I'm not necessarily
convinced but maybe they're just saying the

514
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:35,010
buzzwords to kind of put that at ease I don't
know exactly man yeah these objects man the

515
00:52:35,010 --> 00:52:44,880
the okay the Dead Horse Alaska object uh intrigues
me the most it seemed to be the most uh anomalous

516
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:51,089
it seems to be the one that they're really
really keeping oh late on and um I'm just

517
00:52:51,089 --> 00:52:57,590
gonna say it one of the two people you see
on your screen right now guys is gonna be

518
00:52:57,590 --> 00:53:03,410
going to Dead Horse and is going to try to
get to the bottom of what the hell happened

519
00:53:03,410 --> 00:53:10,309
there if something was retrieved or not and
speak to people who say they saw the retrieval

520
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:16,910
happening so I'm just saying it I'm not going
to say which one of us is doing that but yeah

521
00:53:16,910 --> 00:53:24,310
yeah you can uh you can put your your bets
in the chat right now I guess we continue

522
00:53:24,310 --> 00:53:30,559
to be continued um oh I want to touch on this
because you brought up his name this is kind

523
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:37,060
of off the cuff any so sorry about putting
you on the spot the Greer event was this something

524
00:53:37,060 --> 00:53:41,930
you watched did you take anything away from
it did you find it Well yeah what'd you think

525
00:53:41,930 --> 00:53:45,880
of it I don't want to put words in your mouth
what do you think of the Greer event I'm not

526
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:53,579
gonna lie you know I have um issues with the
way that Dr Greer has been dealing with this

527
00:53:53,579 --> 00:53:59,660
subject in the last few years as I know a
lot of people have you know I'm not I'm not

528
00:53:59,660 --> 00:54:05,190
gonna dismiss it at all necessarily straight
off he came forward with military whistleblowers

529
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:11,900
this time round and these guys are genuine
veterans the one the one thing I'm not going

530
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:16,930
to do is just completely dismiss and poo poo
veterans I think I'll be disrespectful uh

531
00:54:16,930 --> 00:54:23,490
listen to what they say take it on board and
you know yeah think about it but then what

532
00:54:23,490 --> 00:54:28,619
I noticed afterwards following the subject
following these conversations you look at

533
00:54:28,619 --> 00:54:34,480
other veterans and other people that have
been in similar positions to them in the military

534
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:39,059
questions start getting asked things start
cropping up that don't make sense and I kind

535
00:54:39,059 --> 00:54:46,049
of pick up on that so it throws up a lot of
questions and so for me it's you know and

536
00:54:46,049 --> 00:54:51,240
what I will do is I will always take people
like Dr Gray out of the equation because it's

537
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:55,440
not about him and I've learned this the hard
way I had a conversation with a good friend

538
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:01,200
the other day and I admitted to him after
a conversation that my biases were playing

539
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:07,290
a parting not wanting to listen to Dr Greer's
conference even though I did but I looked

540
00:55:07,290 --> 00:55:12,810
at it as straight away as a negative thing
no matter who he was bringing forward and

541
00:55:12,810 --> 00:55:17,549
maybe I shouldn't have done that so I went
I went back and listened to it all again and

542
00:55:17,549 --> 00:55:24,549
what I can say is that Dr Greer purports to
have presented a lot of information to Congress

543
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:31,750
just as we've seen David grush present a lot
of testimony to committees and and inspect

544
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:37,040
the Inspector General if everything Dr Greer
is saying is true then the adds to what we're

545
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:45,680
trying to achieve here but I'm juvious yeah
and I think it's a case of let's just see

546
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:51,099
where this thing goes you know absolutely
I'm so glad you brought that up because I

547
00:55:51,099 --> 00:55:58,940
feel like there have been times even very
recently in my UFO research and kind of how

548
00:55:58,940 --> 00:56:08,119
I present myself to to the public uh that
I have biases as well and that I have very

549
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:15,560
very um specific feelings about Stephen Greer
the person um but like you said hearing some

550
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:21,270
of these military whistleblowers that came
forward in his event um something traumatic

551
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:26,960
happened to each of these individuals yeah
um that's very clear that goes for any any

552
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:34,400
individual who's seen a UFO or or um you know
quote unquote had an experience of any kind

553
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:41,619
um and I did the same thing I kind of stepped
back I looked at it rationally I heard I listened

554
00:56:41,619 --> 00:56:46,799
to the testimony of these individuals and
now the real work begins look at all the vetting

555
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:52,540
going on with David Crush right now from the
skeptical Community um let's do that with

556
00:56:52,540 --> 00:56:58,230
these other guys but let's also you know just
hear them out you know I am I am a person

557
00:56:58,230 --> 00:57:03,880
of stories I love listening that's what I
do I preserve witness testimony so I kind

558
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:09,510
of had to step back and remember what and
who I am in this field and what I contribute

559
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:14,230
so I just looked at it from a very empathetic
perspective watching it again and hearing

560
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:19,880
these people tell their stories and right
now they're just stories yeah no documents

561
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:26,230
were presented um you know nothing like that
but hey welcome to ufology that goes for almost

562
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:30,250
all of it I mean this might be a good chance
for me and I hope you don't mind Ryan it might

563
00:57:30,250 --> 00:57:36,940
be a good for me good time for me to clarify
something Dr Greer had an email sent out whether

564
00:57:36,940 --> 00:57:43,250
it by him direct or his team or whoever to
a lot of influential people to say I hope

565
00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:49,069
you will join me for this thing that I'm putting
on this this conference and it it stated in

566
00:57:49,069 --> 00:57:53,630
that email that he had had Communications
with David Gresham that he had helped David

567
00:57:53,630 --> 00:58:01,370
gresh by helping provide information and things
like that and very quickly after that a communication

568
00:58:01,370 --> 00:58:08,470
from David gresh was put out and shared with
myself and a couple of my colleagues which

569
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:15,839
we put out very quickly and Swifty on UFO
Twitter to say that David grush was not happy

570
00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:20,839
with the representation that that Stephen
gray was giving as far as the meeting that

571
00:58:20,839 --> 00:58:27,010
they had had or they the way that it was being
portrayed and it caused a lot of issues and

572
00:58:27,010 --> 00:58:33,710
I'll you know I admit that in hindsight I
should have known that was going to happen

573
00:58:33,710 --> 00:58:38,640
I would have still put the the statement out
I wasn't able to provide the names of the

574
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:43,330
people that it came from because it came from
David grush to a friend of mine and then a

575
00:58:43,330 --> 00:58:48,010
friend of mine and everyone assumes it's Luella
zondo and I can tell you categorically now

576
00:58:48,010 --> 00:58:56,150
it wasn't I can say that much it caused a
lot of uh uproar but um you know it made it

577
00:58:56,150 --> 00:59:00,589
into the Daily Mail like my my name and tweet
was in there I'm like oh what do I what have

578
00:59:00,589 --> 00:59:07,460
I got myself into like what did I do in the
daily mail again you know these are the little

579
00:59:07,460 --> 00:59:13,289
little things that I think are are important
that Dr Greer throws things out there that

580
00:59:13,289 --> 00:59:21,670
aren't necessarily kind of following the truth
and they are obviously red flags in this community

581
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:26,000
and you know I've had the opportunity to speak
to people like Gary Nolan and we know about

582
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:30,270
the Atacama thing and so all these little
things add up when it comes to Dr Greer and

583
00:59:30,270 --> 00:59:35,770
you know it just paints a picture for me and
so I have this kind of step back and reservations

584
00:59:35,770 --> 00:59:41,560
when it comes to him not necessarily who he
brings forward but it throws up all these

585
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:47,020
extra things that you have to take into account
and Crossovers and everything everything's

586
00:59:47,020 --> 00:59:56,119
complicated and ah indeed

587
00:59:56,119 --> 01:00:08,150
and I'm with you 100 um I I I believe the
whistleblowers um but I am very hesitant as

588
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:13,100
to the motivations behind the work career
is doing and I'll leave it at that um if he

589
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:18,680
can prove us wrong uh great I would love that
I would love to be proven wrong that there

590
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:25,610
isn't Shady stuff going on but um it is what
it is we will move on to our I just I wanted

591
01:00:25,610 --> 01:00:30,200
to know what you thought of that because it
did happen I didn't want to just ignore it

592
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:36,299
um I will guys I will be ignoring the Las
Vegas story of the island in the backyard

593
01:00:36,299 --> 01:00:41,819
I will 100 be ignoring that it will not come
up tonight I've gotten so many requests to

594
01:00:41,819 --> 01:00:46,589
cover it um and I do appreciate people who've
reached out and said dude have you seen this

595
01:00:46,589 --> 01:00:51,069
or have you seen the updates on it um I will
not be covering it and that should tell you

596
01:00:51,069 --> 01:00:57,079
right there my thoughts on it um Call Me Irresponsible
maybe but I just it's not something I want

597
01:00:57,079 --> 01:01:02,079
to waste my time with because I don't believe
there is anything to uh to really make of

598
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:07,620
it um so let's move on to a story that I think
we should make something of this is pretty

599
01:01:07,620 --> 01:01:15,700
cool Canada attends first of its kind UFO
briefing at the Pentagon finally dude the

600
01:01:15,700 --> 01:01:20,369
five eyes have made it into the mainstream
media we've been waiting for this moment where

601
01:01:20,369 --> 01:01:27,280
our country's Vinnie um are all coming together
so the Canadian government has confirmed its

602
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:33,260
participation in a first of its kind international
meeting on UAP hosted at the United States

603
01:01:33,260 --> 01:01:38,059
military headquarters known as the Pentagon
I love how they put that in the article like

604
01:01:38,059 --> 01:01:43,559
we wouldn't know that the Pentagon was a um
it featured a U.S led briefing to visitors

605
01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:48,589
from nations of the five ice intelligence
sharing Alliance which includes Canada the

606
01:01:48,589 --> 01:01:54,789
UK Australia and New Zealand uh the Canadian
Department of National Defense said the Canada

607
01:01:54,789 --> 01:02:00,880
attended the meeting led by a Royal Canadian
Air Force representative DND said quote the

608
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:07,130
details of the meeting remain classified it
can be characterized as the sharing of info

609
01:02:07,130 --> 01:02:14,970
on the subject of UAP and no further details
can be shared at this time um and we actually

610
01:02:14,970 --> 01:02:21,420
Vinnie we learned about this uh at the NASA
panel where Sean Kirkpatrick the the head

611
01:02:21,420 --> 01:02:26,940
of Arrow actually divulged I just had a meeting
with the five eyes to talk about this and

612
01:02:26,940 --> 01:02:31,049
that was the one moment in those four hours
where I was like what wait what what the hell

613
01:02:31,049 --> 01:02:36,470
is this like that was the biggest thing I
took away from that NASA panel um it's crazy

614
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:41,940
um finally finally the five eyes are being
acknowledged um information and Intelligence

615
01:02:41,940 --> 01:02:48,230
on UAP is being shared between these countries
and um unfortunately as mentioned at least

616
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:54,839
to Canada um it's all classified which we're
used to we're definitely used to that um but

617
01:02:54,839 --> 01:02:59,510
I did want to read this last part before I
get your thoughts Vinnie because uh another

618
01:02:59,510 --> 01:03:06,060
story came out by Daniel Otis uh a really
really good Canadian journalist out there

619
01:03:06,060 --> 01:03:13,119
covering the UAP topic um he talked about
the sky Canada project which is approaching

620
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:19,240
the study of UFO's scientifically in contrast
to American efforts that have tended to view

621
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:24,799
them as National Security threats while military
organizations inherently do not have open

622
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:30,339
data in public-facing science as part of their
core mandate Canada's first steps into the

623
01:03:30,339 --> 01:03:37,270
subject in a long time are being done from
that scientific perspective first and foremost

624
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:43,530
so again while we may not get a lot of the
information from the five eyes meeting um

625
01:03:43,530 --> 01:03:49,790
we are hopefully going to get some information
from this Sky Canada project so yeah what

626
01:03:49,790 --> 01:03:55,280
do you make of this entire Story coming out
of Canada I think it's absolutely amazing

627
01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:02,180
the Canada continued to talk about this subject
they have done for the past year Daniel Otis

628
01:04:02,180 --> 01:04:07,140
has been at the Forefront of reporting this
but the transport Department I think it is

629
01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:11,610
the transport Departments of the Canadian
government have been really not afraid to

630
01:04:11,610 --> 01:04:16,049
talk about UAP for about a year maybe even
a year and a half they've not been afraid

631
01:04:16,049 --> 01:04:20,440
to acknowledge that there is something happening
there are conversations happening there are

632
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:25,280
meetings happening that's not been an issue
but when it comes to the five eyes when you

633
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:30,810
talk about Australia New Zealand and the UK
nothing you know I've been lucky enough to

634
01:04:30,810 --> 01:04:35,970
have conversations with Ross Coulter who's
had conversations with their the military

635
01:04:35,970 --> 01:04:41,270
of Australia and we know know these conversations
are happening but when it comes to the public

636
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:49,230
conversation absolutely nothing and let's
get to the UK I mean wow please I mean come

637
01:04:49,230 --> 01:04:59,299
on dude I mean hey who who am I to talk I'm
just I'm renting your country for a little

638
01:04:59,299 --> 01:05:06,750
while but um that's why groups like UAP media
UK were started is to get them to acknowledge

639
01:05:06,750 --> 01:05:11,789
this topic and I get asked that all the time
like every day I'm asked like what is it like

640
01:05:11,789 --> 01:05:17,960
living in the UK now and um are they getting
any better at covering this topic and honestly

641
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:24,619
it's been it's been pretty they've been pretty
silent which is unfortunate yeah the answer

642
01:05:24,619 --> 01:05:27,970
to your question is no they're not getting
any better at all in fact they're getting

643
01:05:27,970 --> 01:05:33,119
worse because they you know for the last few
years when we've been contacting Representatives

644
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:39,210
within the ministry of Defense the the response
has been you know we take incursion to our

645
01:05:39,210 --> 01:05:45,710
airspace seriously and kind of that's it now
we're getting the no comment kind of response

646
01:05:45,710 --> 01:05:53,000
um you know and that's been kind of you know
a real disappointment because at the same

647
01:05:53,000 --> 01:06:01,940
time and I'll say this cautiously and publicly
I have sources and I know people hate sources

648
01:06:01,940 --> 01:06:08,320
Anonymous sources within intelligence and
and stuff who do talk about this to me and

649
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:15,390
it is a conversation that's being had Within
the UK so then you get this public yeah nothing's

650
01:06:15,390 --> 01:06:19,349
happening and then privately it's like you
know the conversations are like where do we

651
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:25,299
go from here like what is it going to take
is it going to take us being the same stereotypical

652
01:06:25,299 --> 01:06:31,049
UK government who basically just rides on
the coattails of the United States yes that's

653
01:06:31,049 --> 01:06:35,390
probably the case now that we've got people
like David Rush coming forward and the story

654
01:06:35,390 --> 01:06:40,170
is really kind of ramping up I'll be it's
gonna is it going to be the fact that when

655
01:06:40,170 --> 01:06:47,190
David grush's claims if they're true are made
public that yeah this is definitely 100 True

656
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:53,500
is that when the UK are gonna kind of jump
in on this and New Zealand and Australia like

657
01:06:53,500 --> 01:06:59,320
like what is it going to take like it's frustrating
man like it's it's nonsense we we've we've

658
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,870
spent years trying to speak to these people
and then we get the private people the the

659
01:07:03,870 --> 01:07:09,890
anonymous sources that we all love and hate
saying yeah it's happening like yeah what

660
01:07:09,890 --> 01:07:16,079
is it gonna take hey it's gonna take people
like uh Dave gresh coming forward which uh

661
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:22,150
all right get ready guys get ready for brush
hour um we've got some podcast highlights

662
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:26,750
I want to cover with Vinnie um now I did send
all the news stories to Vinnie that we'd be

663
01:07:26,750 --> 01:07:31,220
covering tonight um but I did not send him
the podcast highlights who'd be covered so

664
01:07:31,220 --> 01:07:36,020
I do want to get his kind of you know on the
spot reactions to some of these I'm sure he'll

665
01:07:36,020 --> 01:07:40,440
have some interesting stuff to say and I have
some some like hypothetical questions I want

666
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:45,089
to ask you on these two mini um before we
do that I do want to say cam thank you so

667
01:07:45,089 --> 01:07:48,980
much again for another Super Chat Ryan Vinnie
you both are such an important addition to

668
01:07:48,980 --> 01:07:54,440
the UFO world the revolution of this topic
has garnered us a new wave of future Dolan

669
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:59,520
popes that is that's some High Praise man
um again say what you will about Dolan and

670
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:06,380
Pope but uh hey hey if we're being compared
to Heavy Hitters like that thank you that's

671
01:08:06,380 --> 01:08:10,980
extremely nice so thank you thanks Ken appreciate
that and paranormal pixie with a five dollar

672
01:08:10,980 --> 01:08:14,900
ship which I thank you so much paranormal
always appreciate you being here love to all

673
01:08:14,900 --> 01:08:19,839
of you love to all of you and again Happy
Father's Day to all the fathers out there

674
01:08:19,839 --> 01:08:24,670
if you're watching this including Vinnie as
well Happy Father's day buddy thank you ma'am

675
01:08:24,670 --> 01:08:30,080
cheers to you cheers to you I'm halfway through
this Guinness I've got another one coming

676
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:39,440
um all right let's do it let's move to podcast
highlights of the week and um you probably

677
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:44,890
guessed it guys the first show we're going
to be covering is uh weaponized with Jeremy

678
01:08:44,890 --> 01:08:53,339
Corbell and George Knapp and uh the clip I
have here is from their most recent episode

679
01:08:53,339 --> 01:08:59,230
where uh they explain why David grush's attorneys
compass rose Legal Group announced they were

680
01:08:59,230 --> 01:09:05,319
ending their association with David crush
and why it's not what some Skeptics claim

681
01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:12,179
so yeah this story broke a day after the huge
debrief article came out um or a couple days

682
01:09:12,179 --> 01:09:17,069
after maybe if I if I'm getting my timetable
straight um that the group that was representing

683
01:09:17,069 --> 01:09:21,540
this whistleblower uh who came forward and
said he knows about Crash retrieval programs

684
01:09:21,540 --> 01:09:28,190
of UFOs uh that they were like yo later dude
we're we're out of here um and a lot of people

685
01:09:28,190 --> 01:09:33,440
took that as oh they don't believe him or
they don't want to be involved with them anymore

686
01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:41,900
um but nap and Corbell who we should say were
approached by grush first before anybody even

687
01:09:41,900 --> 01:09:49,339
before you know Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal
or Ross culthart um that uh yeah yeah that

688
01:09:49,339 --> 01:09:52,290
they had a lot to say about it so I'm gonna
go ahead and play the clip Vinnie and we will

689
01:09:52,290 --> 01:09:58,090
talk about it on the other side sound good
perfect awesome there's been this huge thing

690
01:09:58,090 --> 01:10:02,739
online that the inspector general of intelligence
the former Inspector General of intelligence

691
01:10:02,739 --> 01:10:07,570
who is Dave's lawyer by the way great lawyer
to have when you're doing this kind of thing

692
01:10:07,570 --> 01:10:13,380
did that firm dropped him and it to try to
discredit him even in the publication that

693
01:10:13,380 --> 01:10:18,150
told his story it's like they've got a weird
sub-agenda so they tried to make that seem

694
01:10:18,150 --> 01:10:26,750
mysterious is it what just happened that call
what just happened according to to Dave um

695
01:10:26,750 --> 01:10:33,390
that law firm represents whistleblowers and
active duty government employees Dave is no

696
01:10:33,390 --> 01:10:39,110
longer a government employee he left and so
the firm that would normally represent him

697
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:44,810
has been peeled off however to suggest that
if somehow this big split that they don't

698
01:10:44,810 --> 01:10:50,409
believe him is completely wrong because the
lawyer who represented him all the way through

699
01:10:50,409 --> 01:10:56,850
this the guy who used to be with the ig's
office is still representing him is he's peeled

700
01:10:56,850 --> 01:11:02,230
off from the firm and is still sticking with
Dave we're talking about the former Inspector

701
01:11:02,230 --> 01:11:07,590
General of intelligence so what you're telling
me and what I'm telling you and what we know

702
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:14,390
to be fact is that this individual is leaving
their Law Firm to privately because of uh

703
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:20,470
faith and belief and trust and righteousness
to to be right there next today I can imagine

704
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:25,940
what it's been like the last week for that
law firm to be pounded and hounded by media

705
01:11:25,940 --> 01:11:32,790
from all over the world not only reporters
and producers and demands for interviews but

706
01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:37,950
also all the UFO crazies who have been pounding
them with criticisms and questions and things

707
01:11:37,950 --> 01:11:42,280
of that sort so I'm sure that representing
somebody who is now as high profile as Dave

708
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:47,210
is is a headache for him so they might use
the excuse well he doesn't work for the government

709
01:11:47,210 --> 01:11:53,570
anymore we're leaving him but the lawyer who's
known him the best who's worked with him through

710
01:11:53,570 --> 01:11:58,770
this whole process is sticking with him because
he knows Dave is a legitimate guy and he's

711
01:11:58,770 --> 01:12:06,960
going to have his back as we will hmm

712
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:15,110
okay so when I first heard nap say that that
the actual like attorney left the firm to

713
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:21,440
continue representing this guy I was like
hold up okay that that says something that's

714
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:28,310
not they're they're completely disassociating
from this um you know the big thing was uh

715
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:34,159
you know we successfully represented him during
his whistleblower complaint that was our job

716
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:40,280
work done like job done most other people
took it as they wanted to get a far away from

717
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:46,250
this as possible um they even said in like
a a uh you know a statement they put out we

718
01:12:46,250 --> 01:12:53,170
do not necessarily believe or or you know
we we are not represented by the information

719
01:12:53,170 --> 01:12:58,909
he's bringing forward we're only you know
working with him on the complaint I'm jumbling

720
01:12:58,909 --> 01:13:04,220
all of that um what I'm trying to say is they
they're done with their job yet now we're

721
01:13:04,220 --> 01:13:09,600
learning that the actual attorney who kind
of headed this spearheaded this whole thing

722
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:14,730
is still representing Crush um we got some
interesting comments in the chapel video I

723
01:13:14,730 --> 01:13:21,000
want to hear what you think first about this
whole it's been a whirlwind when it comes

724
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:26,260
to that specific point you know we have the
debrief State a story that broke you know

725
01:13:26,260 --> 01:13:33,400
the grush thing and it was all amazing for
a few days and for the conversation was progressing

726
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:40,640
and then we had this Revelation again from
the debrief the grush was no longer represented

727
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:45,360
by these lawyers and everything thought this
is completely destroying his story and everything

728
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:50,830
like that and you know it wasn't it wasn't
so many conversations were happening behind

729
01:13:50,830 --> 01:13:56,770
the scenes when it came to that with everybody
involved everyone involved it was panic mode

730
01:13:56,770 --> 01:14:05,219
for a couple of days yet on UFO Twitter in
in the Twitter sphere and the UFO sphere everyone

731
01:14:05,219 --> 01:14:11,210
was panicking like this is just falling apart
it wasn't it wasn't just people were jumping

732
01:14:11,210 --> 01:14:17,929
to conclusions and it was good to see finally
Jeremy and George we're actually clarifying

733
01:14:17,929 --> 01:14:23,429
some points that you know the way it works
with the lawyers and the complaints through

734
01:14:23,429 --> 01:14:31,230
the IG and stuff I mean it's very easy for
certain individuals in the community and man

735
01:14:31,230 --> 01:14:37,771
I hate these are the kind of conversations
I don't like having that you you hear certain

736
01:14:37,771 --> 01:14:43,790
things and have certain conversations that
it it's understandable it makes sense but

737
01:14:43,790 --> 01:14:49,580
to the everyday Joe it isn't and you know
and I knew it was going to be clarified and

738
01:14:49,580 --> 01:14:55,719
I think you know I've had conversations with
people separately from all this who who have

739
01:14:55,719 --> 01:15:01,639
spent time with David gresh in Intel school
and things like that and I've done my digging

740
01:15:01,639 --> 01:15:09,610
myself away from this about David grush's
credibility one thing I can't do and this

741
01:15:09,610 --> 01:15:14,580
may be kind of sidestepping everything Ryan
so I apologize the one thing I can't do is

742
01:15:14,580 --> 01:15:20,420
uh provide any Clarity on the claims that
he's made about the genuine acceptance of

743
01:15:20,420 --> 01:15:25,630
nhi as he says but the one thing I have been
able to do in the last couple of weeks since

744
01:15:25,630 --> 01:15:31,450
he came clear is speak to people that know
him very very much first hand it was spent

745
01:15:31,450 --> 01:15:37,231
years with him so I apologize for slightly
going off topic there Ryan but I think it

746
01:15:37,231 --> 01:15:43,420
Paints the picture of we're still in early
days when it comes to knowing what he's talking

747
01:15:43,420 --> 01:15:48,530
about whether it's true or not I think we
we when it gets to that proof that truth that

748
01:15:48,530 --> 01:15:49,550
he's talked about

749
01:15:49,550 --> 01:15:57,740
I don't know where we go from here yeah nobody
does I mean this and that's the thing this

750
01:15:57,740 --> 01:16:03,070
story just came out of I know it's been work
they've been working on it for a very long

751
01:16:03,070 --> 01:16:09,810
time but absolutely for many in the UFO community
and outside of it um this is brand new and

752
01:16:09,810 --> 01:16:15,000
you know we've been digging brother we've
been digging I've been digging man I'm sure

753
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:20,470
you have I have absolutely no doubt um I'll
be the first to admit I knew nothing about

754
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:27,380
any of this um so I've been completely blind
sighted by all of it and uh I kind of like

755
01:16:27,380 --> 01:16:32,330
it that way to be honest I didn't know all
the like drama that was going on that like

756
01:16:32,330 --> 01:16:37,630
the names were leaked of David grush and the
story was going here and this person knew

757
01:16:37,630 --> 01:16:44,300
that it was a nightmare it was a nightmare
yeah I'm sure I'm sure so I'm kind of ignorance

758
01:16:44,300 --> 01:16:51,199
is bliss on that one um but yeah this is an
interesting development um we have a lawyer

759
01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:58,090
in the chat um who says they don't necess
necessarily by what nap is saying in terms

760
01:16:58,090 --> 01:17:03,830
of the attorney but we'll see how it all plays
out like I don't know I don't know um it is

761
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:11,370
what it is but uh another kind of I guess
criticism that uh people are having with the

762
01:17:11,370 --> 01:17:16,880
David grush whistleblower story is that a
lot of the stuff he said is stuff that's been

763
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:24,580
said in the UFO Community for decades um like
almost word for word beat for Beat of certain

764
01:17:24,580 --> 01:17:28,330
things we've heard in the past you know a
lot of people are saying oh he just like literally

765
01:17:28,330 --> 01:17:35,449
is just pulling stuff from UFO history and
presenting it to the public um and a lot of

766
01:17:35,449 --> 01:17:40,170
people say that that means he's faking it
or he's making it up or he's just like you

767
01:17:40,170 --> 01:17:45,900
know kind of hijacking narratives that have
been there for a while um but one person who

768
01:17:45,900 --> 01:17:53,540
kind of argues that well that makes sense
if he is telling the truth is uh Richard Dolan

769
01:17:53,540 --> 01:17:59,000
um so I'm gonna go ahead and play this this
clip because I actually you know I I found

770
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:03,710
some some Credence in it so let me go ahead
and play this um and we'll talk about it on

771
01:18:03,710 --> 01:18:09,550
the other side so the information is definitely
has been out there for a while and so what

772
01:18:09,550 --> 01:18:17,650
we're seeing with these latest wave of claims
is that frankly they are very much in line

773
01:18:17,650 --> 01:18:24,350
with what research has already come to you
know conclude uh I've I've seen arguments

774
01:18:24,350 --> 01:18:31,120
that have been used against these recent whistleblowers
for that reason against Grouch uh in other

775
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:36,889
words saying oh you're just recycling these
old other stories I'm like is that your complaint

776
01:18:36,889 --> 01:18:42,090
that what he is saying is in line with what
research has already concluded I don't think

777
01:18:42,090 --> 01:18:46,210
that's a very good argument to make if you're
going to criticize it a better argument would

778
01:18:46,210 --> 01:18:52,270
simply be to say he doesn't have hard evidence
that we have seen and that is true so we can

779
01:18:52,270 --> 01:19:00,480
continue to want to see actual hard evidence
but I don't think it's a fair criticism at

780
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:05,460
all to say well you're just repeating what
we've been hearing Ad nauseam for years uh

781
01:19:05,460 --> 01:19:11,750
no because what we have been hearing for years
is very likely true that there have been a

782
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:20,440
long long history of acquisition of non-human
technology

783
01:19:20,440 --> 01:19:24,880
so I mean yeah he's kind of stating the obvious
but when I actually thought about it I'm like

784
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:33,050
well yeah I mean if we're going to talk about
these crash retrieval programs this deep mythology

785
01:19:33,050 --> 01:19:37,320
that has been with the UFO Community ever
since Roswell and as we'll learn about later

786
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:44,500
maybe a little further back from Roswell um
it would make perfect sense it only bolsters

787
01:19:44,500 --> 01:19:50,550
everything we've been talking about for the
past 75 plus years um doesn't really mean

788
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:56,270
he's like someone in the chat said he's he's
ticking off every conspiracy theory bingo

789
01:19:56,270 --> 01:20:02,420
card you know box out there um I get that
I I understand what you're saying um but I

790
01:20:02,420 --> 01:20:07,730
I think Dolan did make some sense here again
I know we probably have people here who don't

791
01:20:07,730 --> 01:20:12,820
agree with a lot of things Richard Dolan says
but this is one thing that I do agree with

792
01:20:12,820 --> 01:20:18,650
them on it's what we've not only wanted to
hear I'm going to hate using that word wanted

793
01:20:18,650 --> 01:20:27,250
um because it does kind of conjure uh influence
um but it's been documented in many cases

794
01:20:27,250 --> 01:20:31,630
throughout the years as well by very credible
individuals so yeah Vinnie what do you make

795
01:20:31,630 --> 01:20:36,840
of this argument that Dolan brought forward
on the whole brush story it does read into

796
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:42,810
our biases sometimes doesn't it you know but
at the same time it's like well we have to

797
01:20:42,810 --> 01:20:48,040
wait for proof we've not we've not kind of
been you know let's look at the way that the

798
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:53,850
subject has gone in the last six years it's
it's grown from 2017 to where we are now with

799
01:20:53,850 --> 01:21:00,310
everything that's happened we've now got this
big Revelation from a whistleblower who is

800
01:21:00,310 --> 01:21:08,460
purportedly telling us the absolute truth
that we all thought we knew all along so it's

801
01:21:08,460 --> 01:21:12,860
very easy for our biases to say oh yeah we
knew that anyway and now he's just confirming

802
01:21:12,860 --> 01:21:18,380
it to us by you know come on man like this
is the biggest thing we've kind of been in

803
01:21:18,380 --> 01:21:25,810
since 2017 so let's take it seriously let's
take it step by step let's not kind of just

804
01:21:25,810 --> 01:21:32,670
push our biases too much you know I've been
a victim of my biases a lot recently I've

805
01:21:32,670 --> 01:21:38,290
had to put myself in check a lot and I think
a lot of people in the community have as well

806
01:21:38,290 --> 01:21:42,860
because it's so easy to think that here we
go this is it he's here he's telling us the

807
01:21:42,860 --> 01:21:51,239
truth but wait a minute what's he given us
nothing you know so let's see how things progress

808
01:21:51,239 --> 01:21:57,409
we hear these rumors of more whistleblowers
coming out to corroborate what he says I'm

809
01:21:57,409 --> 01:22:00,820
not sure if I'm kind of going off on the tangent
of what you actually asked oh Ryan but you

810
01:22:00,820 --> 01:22:05,460
know what I mean it's like like where do we
go from here like do we just go yep here we

811
01:22:05,460 --> 01:22:10,679
go this is what we all knew blah blah blah
come on we knew it but let's dig up ourselves

812
01:22:10,679 --> 01:22:15,909
yeah I'm not so convinced I'm taking a really
cautious step with this you know having spoken

813
01:22:15,909 --> 01:22:26,080
to people behind the scenes as well his his
career his personality his genuine being a

814
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:33,730
a decent human being David grush is the real
deal has he been manipulated is this information

815
01:22:33,730 --> 01:22:40,150
for Real where do we go from here is bringing
this where's the corroboration going to come

816
01:22:40,150 --> 01:22:48,130
from for us the everyday man the Layman you
know the man and woman on on the streets like

817
01:22:48,130 --> 01:22:54,520
it's a mess it's a mess absolutely no and
thank you for being honest and that actually

818
01:22:54,520 --> 01:23:02,360
transitions perfectly into our next clip um
from you guessed it none other than Ross culthart

819
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:10,190
over at the need to know podcast um yeah Roscoe
um Roscoe who originally interviewed grush

820
01:23:10,190 --> 01:23:15,070
on news Nation he gives some updates on what
has happened since the interview aired on

821
01:23:15,070 --> 01:23:23,050
news nation and some surprises that we should
um I guess look forward to um so yeah let

822
01:23:23,050 --> 01:23:29,660
me go ahead and play this and yeah talks more
grush it's Crush hour is Dave grosh safe you

823
01:23:29,660 --> 01:23:33,810
think he's safe I think he used now I think
he's a lot safer now that he's taken a public

824
01:23:33,810 --> 01:23:37,940
position um there are things that have happened
to Dave that aren't very nice as home's been

825
01:23:37,940 --> 01:23:44,820
broken into and he's been targeted with surveillance
and I think he's been harassed and um I've

826
01:23:44,820 --> 01:23:48,690
got a pretty good idea who the people are
that have been doing harassing it's quite

827
01:23:48,690 --> 01:23:54,250
extraordinary it's probably not a government
agency it's probably a private contractor

828
01:23:54,250 --> 01:23:58,810
more on that later wow so all right well there's
okay I was just going to say are you going

829
01:23:58,810 --> 01:24:02,350
to be looking into that I guess the answer
is yes here's another are you going to be

830
01:24:02,350 --> 01:24:08,360
looking into it question uh you raised in
that special that the Vatican has known about

831
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:14,100
this for a while uh what should happen about
that should the Vatican how did how do you

832
01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:20,900
get the Vatican legitimately on the record
about what they know about the UFO situation

833
01:24:20,900 --> 01:24:24,230
well one of the things that I think is the
red flag with the Vatican is that a few years

834
01:24:24,230 --> 01:24:29,659
ago the Vatican astronomer made a very public
statement yes that we are all God's children

835
01:24:29,659 --> 01:24:34,120
whatever we are if we're another species we're
still God's children and that the Christian

836
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:38,929
faith they emphasized is not incompatible
with the belief in Aliens and I think the

837
01:24:38,929 --> 01:24:43,560
vatican's been aware of this issue since at
least the second world war when the magenta

838
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:48,650
craft was recovered and I think that the Vatican
apparently are my good friend Diana Walsh

839
01:24:48,650 --> 01:24:54,480
kasalka the Theologian Professor has apparently
gone to the Vatican library in the past and

840
01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:58,870
she's told me that there are enormous archives
in the Vatican still to be released where

841
01:24:58,870 --> 01:25:05,600
they've been studying the phenomena through
millennia it is that is pretty amazing but

842
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:10,440
on the other hand it makes good sense particularly
if that first crash was in uh Italy as as

843
01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:19,690
he said all right um uh will there be interviews
to follow with people who literally have first

844
01:25:19,690 --> 01:25:25,440
person knowledge the people who say yes I
worked on this program I touched that craft

845
01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:36,310
I saw this body are are we going to get that
kind of thing coming anytime soon

846
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:37,310
yes

847
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:54,810
story um I I looked at the news Nation interview
and the way Ross clothing handled himself

848
01:25:54,810 --> 01:26:03,210
in asking those questions and it was just
perfect it was perfect right in terms of how

849
01:26:03,210 --> 01:26:08,510
we asked the questions um how he responded
to them and again will we be getting more

850
01:26:08,510 --> 01:26:17,580
whistleblowers yes yes it's that's yeah um
you know will we in the public see or know

851
01:26:17,580 --> 01:26:23,130
anything of that I hope um the Vatican thing
I don't really want to get into because I

852
01:26:23,130 --> 01:26:29,060
have a clip that kind of touches on that aspect
of it but my question for you Ross said that

853
01:26:29,060 --> 01:26:34,830
since David grush has come forward since the
interviews uh his home was broken into again

854
01:26:34,830 --> 01:26:42,260
we're going strictly on Ross cothart's word
on that um but I want to ask you very who

855
01:26:42,260 --> 01:26:47,420
broke into David grush's house who's looking
oh my goodness man I have a lot of questions

856
01:26:47,420 --> 01:26:56,600
I was not expecting that man I know you weren't
um I mean that's that's sketchy come on like

857
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:01,580
we know like let's just look at it from we
know David grush's initial complaint went

858
01:27:01,580 --> 01:27:08,080
to the uh Department of Defense Inspector
General back in 2019 look how far back that

859
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:13,370
is you know this guy was working with the
UAP Task Force at that time realized that

860
01:27:13,370 --> 01:27:17,970
the program was not read into something that
they should have been read into I think they

861
01:27:17,970 --> 01:27:25,639
knew then there was something going on these
are the programs you know he knew something

862
01:27:25,639 --> 01:27:33,120
yeah let's bring it forward to a year ago
uh when he made his complaint to the intelligence

863
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:39,219
Community Inspector General you know this
is the second time he's he's brought something

864
01:27:39,219 --> 01:27:45,000
forward and then now things are really ramping
up he's getting broken into his house you

865
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:49,699
know he's getting this these reprisals these
pushbacks I mean there's got to be something

866
01:27:49,699 --> 01:27:56,140
there right it points to to that I mean you
know I got to be careful here because I put

867
01:27:56,140 --> 01:28:00,460
myself out on the internet and say I believe
everything I don't I'm looking at I'm looking

868
01:28:00,460 --> 01:28:04,090
at facts I know people are going to pull this
apart they already have for the last few weeks

869
01:28:04,090 --> 01:28:09,699
I mean come on but uh you know I'm I'm lucky
enough to have conversations privately about

870
01:28:09,699 --> 01:28:15,390
people that are involved with this so where
do we go from here when it becomes to believing

871
01:28:15,390 --> 01:28:18,199
David rush you know

872
01:28:18,199 --> 01:28:25,670
I don't know what you want me to say right
no I just I had to ask I was like I'm gonna

873
01:28:25,670 --> 01:28:30,710
put him on this spot with that I want to know
who he thinks broken I don't know but like

874
01:28:30,710 --> 01:28:37,330
look this is like isn't this stereotypical
like this is what happens isn't this like

875
01:28:37,330 --> 01:28:44,720
we've seen this before in sensitive programs
and retaliations and reprisals it's very easy

876
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:49,070
for me to say that that like when you get
close to the truth you get pushed back but

877
01:28:49,070 --> 01:28:56,050
like I don't I don't this is the thing I don't
know I think a lot of people don't know and

878
01:28:56,050 --> 01:29:04,470
I think it's just worrisome at this point
yep exactly exactly stay on guard guys if

879
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:12,810
there's there's a book behind me right now
um called mirageman there you go I highly

880
01:29:12,810 --> 01:29:18,770
suggest everyone go buy that book and Mark
pinkle did the author is gonna um probably

881
01:29:18,770 --> 01:29:25,540
reach out and be like thank you Ryan um go
buy that book right now um because this is

882
01:29:25,540 --> 01:29:31,000
exactly the type of situation this entire
David Gross story um and I'm not casting this

883
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:38,270
versions on people like Ross colthard or any
of these individuals covering the story um

884
01:29:38,270 --> 01:29:44,550
that there are reasons and motivations for
these things to happen and to happen when

885
01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:49,750
they're happening and to and why they are
happening um I'm just gonna leave it at that

886
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:55,989
read the book I'm rereading it for like the
fourth time right now and uh it's very eye-opening

887
01:29:55,989 --> 01:29:59,750
and it has a lot to do with stuff going on
if you don't mind I'll go a little I'll go

888
01:29:59,750 --> 01:30:06,210
a little bit further than that and I'll stick
my neck out for people like Roscoe thought

889
01:30:06,210 --> 01:30:13,440
these people are privy to information that
we're not they are trusted with information

890
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:22,030
that may be sensitive and I've had these conversations
with people like Ross before that you cannot

891
01:30:22,030 --> 01:30:29,100
burn your sources right so just just just
put this information out there to the world

892
01:30:29,100 --> 01:30:34,520
because it's the best thing to do no it doesn't
work like that unfortunately as much as we

893
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:43,199
all have this excuse the pun need to know
Ross's show you know Ross is doing the best

894
01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:49,750
he can he always has he he never came into
this to be that kind of the the man who broke

895
01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:55,710
the story but he has trusted and he's done
a hell of a lot of good work and I'm blessed

896
01:30:55,710 --> 01:31:02,010
to know him I'm sure Ryan is feels the same
way and I think we're still playing let's

897
01:31:02,010 --> 01:31:07,310
say the game the long game is where you know
more information will come out in the future

898
01:31:07,310 --> 01:31:13,090
if we just take a step back and wait for it
and I know we can all say like we've been

899
01:31:13,090 --> 01:31:18,690
waiting 80 years and all that but like come
on guys let's give the people a little bit

900
01:31:18,690 --> 01:31:26,400
of credit right and we can wait a little bit
longer to get it right to get exactly a little

901
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:32,040
bit longer yeah if we've waited this [\h__\h]
long like we can wait a little bit longer

902
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:39,750
to make sure everything rush is saying is
true is accurate um or future whistleblowers

903
01:31:39,750 --> 01:31:46,880
um yeah as well so yeah yeah um it's exciting
if any of this is true however like you said

904
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:53,020
a million times tonight and we have to continue
stressing this we have no proof and the proof

905
01:31:53,020 --> 01:31:57,880
is in the pudding so many people have said
that um you can say look at his credentials

906
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:04,250
look at what he did he he filed this complaint
okay that's fine yes there can be ramifications

907
01:32:04,250 --> 01:32:09,670
if he's found to be lying about any of this
um however like that doesn't change the fact

908
01:32:09,670 --> 01:32:15,100
that we still do not have proof um and that
kind of that bleeds into this last clip about

909
01:32:15,100 --> 01:32:22,750
the gruff story I promise Vinnie um during
rush hour um Bryce Abel was on podcast UFO

910
01:32:22,750 --> 01:32:30,139
with Martin Willis recently and he basically
what I quote say he initiated storm crash

911
01:32:30,139 --> 01:32:37,500
retrieval locations um so yeah I'm gonna go
ahead and play this clip and uh yeah but you

912
01:32:37,500 --> 01:32:41,139
know what there's one other thing Martin I
see someone else saying hey it's pretty simple

913
01:32:41,139 --> 01:32:46,949
go and look I agree with that let's remember
one thing Dave grush has gone to the House

914
01:32:46,949 --> 01:32:51,700
and Senate intelligence committees and the
the Inspector General and to the best of my

915
01:32:51,700 --> 01:33:00,880
knowledge he has provided names dates programs
and locations all right so what is the solution

916
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:06,760
here well it is pretty darn simple go and
look yeah these committees have investigators

917
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:13,400
they know how to subpoena material they've
done this before you know the uh they should

918
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:21,060
go look they if they have to rate It Go rate
it uh they have to if they can uh file the

919
01:33:21,060 --> 01:33:28,900
right paperwork to get in do that but you
know uh the ball is is well look this this

920
01:33:28,900 --> 01:33:35,130
Secret's coming out no matter what anyway
but it was certainly urge it along to see

921
01:33:35,130 --> 01:33:40,610
Congress get deeply involved in taking the
information that Dave grush has provided plus

922
01:33:40,610 --> 01:33:46,230
these other whistleblowers that are behind
him and say okay well we've heard a lot of

923
01:33:46,230 --> 01:33:52,500
specifics here we have investigators let's
go look that's my policy and I that should

924
01:33:52,500 --> 01:33:56,960
be their policy

925
01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:05,750
raid them oh man bro I hey I had him on last
week it was awesome I love Bryce I write for

926
01:34:05,750 --> 01:34:11,040
him oh thanks man um very last minute so I
have to thank him for even giving me any of

927
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:17,750
his precious time um but uh first of all his
background is just on fire in his interviews

928
01:34:17,750 --> 01:34:23,750
he's got the Wilson ball he's got the the
like the orb he's got a believe sign from

929
01:34:23,750 --> 01:34:28,880
Ted lasso I just I love seeing his background
it's like little Easter eggs every time he's

930
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:37,510
on an interview um but okay so Vinnie my question
for you uh Bryce says you know if this is

931
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:45,750
true and he's given names of programs in places
where these things are um go to them like

932
01:34:45,750 --> 01:34:52,230
this is our chance like go question them start
prodding start doing stuff which is hopefully

933
01:34:52,230 --> 01:34:58,480
what people like Senator gillibrand are going
to eventually do fingers crossed um so my

934
01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:05,760
question for you Vinnie should Congress and
the IG um should they rate these locations

935
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:11,650
where saps are taking place do you think this
is something that should happen absolutely

936
01:35:11,650 --> 01:35:17,360
I can tell you right now for a fact that these
Congress people and Senators they know the

937
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:25,889
names of these programs I've heard on the
Grapevine the names of these programs it's

938
01:35:25,889 --> 01:35:32,389
not a secret the question or the point that
needs to be made going forward now is who

939
01:35:32,389 --> 01:35:41,139
has the power to go and investigate these
programs who is able to dig deep and go through

940
01:35:41,139 --> 01:35:47,430
you know congressional powers to actually
access special access programs that sit way

941
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:54,310
outside the black programs way outside the
white programs these programs sit within gray

942
01:35:54,310 --> 01:36:00,699
areas that are unacknowledged and we've all
heard it before but I can tell you now they're

943
01:36:00,699 --> 01:36:07,180
there and they're sat within a very small
need to know basis of individuals Congress

944
01:36:07,180 --> 01:36:12,720
has this power and we're this close we are
this close to Congress people knowing what

945
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:20,380
these programs are so let's let's play and
see but I mean I'm you know I'm like this

946
01:36:20,380 --> 01:36:28,770
close to being excited you know what I mean
that's all we can ask for man wow you gave

947
01:36:28,770 --> 01:36:34,940
me chills with that man oh we're so close
we are so close and hey look acknowledging

948
01:36:34,940 --> 01:36:41,869
them it's like who who said it recently um
about you know it's like alcoholism the first

949
01:36:41,869 --> 01:36:49,050
step is acknowledgment um and not to cast
any light on alcoholism in any way I I know

950
01:36:49,050 --> 01:36:53,510
individuals who have suffered from that but
it's true like the first step is acknowledging

951
01:36:53,510 --> 01:37:00,639
it the the second step is now dealing with
it so yeah if okay like if anything grush

952
01:37:00,639 --> 01:37:05,920
coming forward if he is giving specific names
of programs and people and and things like

953
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:12,780
that um that is something that Inspector General
and Congress can work off of and now we go

954
01:37:12,780 --> 01:37:19,310
see if he is actually telling the truth and
the other big thing we have to keep in mind

955
01:37:19,310 --> 01:37:30,000
with all of this I think is retrieval programs
of things no [\h__\h] like that's a thing

956
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:36,360
um I brought up with my Bryce Abel interview
uh you know things like project Moon dust

957
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:42,250
this is an actual documented unclassified
program that looked at things that have crashed

958
01:37:42,250 --> 01:37:48,630
that were unknown that either came from space
or came from a rival Nation um retrieve it

959
01:37:48,630 --> 01:37:53,650
collect Intelligence on it possibly reverse
engineer the technology you find um that is

960
01:37:53,650 --> 01:37:59,630
a prime example of a crash retrieval program
of things we don't know necessarily what they

961
01:37:59,630 --> 01:38:05,980
are so we do have to keep that in mind too
and even grush said it I'm not saying that

962
01:38:05,980 --> 01:38:12,190
this is piloted by aliens by any stretch of
the imagination I'm just saying these are

963
01:38:12,190 --> 01:38:19,060
things we don't know what they are where they
come from what time they come from even uh

964
01:38:19,060 --> 01:38:24,940
and stuff like that so yeah again so messy
so muddy but I think you're right we're this

965
01:38:24,940 --> 01:38:32,210
close um the fact that he's giving names and
program names and places uh is huge um if

966
01:38:32,210 --> 01:38:42,290
true and like we said if not true um this
guy's life is over yeah in my opinion all

967
01:38:42,290 --> 01:38:49,880
our lives are over if we're if we've all fallen
for this then we've fallen for it you know

968
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:56,980
like come on like I'm not gonna Kid myself
I I believe to a certain degree I hate the

969
01:38:56,980 --> 01:39:03,730
word belief but like you know I'm in this
for the long run I always have been and I

970
01:39:03,730 --> 01:39:08,730
I respect the fact that I'm in a beautiful
Community with a lot of good people that do

971
01:39:08,730 --> 01:39:15,000
a lot of good research and that's where I'm
at right now you know like Rush the stories

972
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:21,660
that come out it all adds to this this thing
but one thing I will say is I think no matter

973
01:39:21,660 --> 01:39:26,790
what you think about UFO Twitter and all that
we're in a good community and I will always

974
01:39:26,790 --> 01:39:31,570
see the positives in that so just want to
give a shout out to all the good folk in there

975
01:39:31,570 --> 01:39:35,869
so yeah totally Man Without You for Twitter
I never would have met you I never would have

976
01:39:35,869 --> 01:39:42,469
met some of the beautiful brilliant people
I've come across and continue to um say what

977
01:39:42,469 --> 01:39:48,240
you will about UFO Twitter they're saying
there's a there's a toxic and uh corner of

978
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:55,600
every Community um but we have found uh Common
Ground a lot of us have and um look if all

979
01:39:55,600 --> 01:40:01,480
of this turns out to be complete [\h__\h]
or a disinformation campaign you know what

980
01:40:01,480 --> 01:40:08,280
we pick ourselves up and we continue on we
have exactly many times before I made some

981
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:12,460
good friends along the way man that's all
the bads you know I got my brothers thank

982
01:40:12,460 --> 01:40:17,969
you and my sisters so Charlotte to all of
you guys shout out to all of you guys this

983
01:40:17,969 --> 01:40:24,610
is Vinnie and I signing your Collective yearbooks
upon graduation from the University we've

984
01:40:24,610 --> 01:40:32,380
made some friends along the way exactly sure
man um well here's a good friend of ours that

985
01:40:32,380 --> 01:40:39,080
we're gonna end our podcast highlights of
the week and that's Dr Diana Walsh

986
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:42,860
amazing she wrote the forward to my new book
um she's coming out with a new book in the

987
01:40:42,860 --> 01:40:50,980
coming months I highly suggest everyone check
it out um but she was recently on the um Project

988
01:40:50,980 --> 01:40:57,960
Unity podcast and um she talked about the
different types of disclosures that were kind

989
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:03,460
of seen play out now which I thought was interesting
um you know there's not just governmental

990
01:41:03,460 --> 01:41:07,719
disclosure and this ties into a lot of her
work with UFOs in religion so I'm gonna go

991
01:41:07,719 --> 01:41:11,630
ahead and play this clip and we're gonna we're
gonna start wrapping things up Vinnie sound

992
01:41:11,630 --> 01:41:19,290
good sounds perfect dude awesome there there
will be and there are ongoing different types

993
01:41:19,290 --> 01:41:26,489
of disclosures so when we see this um what's
happening right now I've also discussed it

994
01:41:26,489 --> 01:41:32,420
as a military type of disclosure but you know
there are also there there is a Vatican disclosure

995
01:41:32,420 --> 01:41:39,630
um but they're not gonna do press releases
you know it's not it's going to be this is

996
01:41:39,630 --> 01:41:45,880
this is not how the disclosure of you know
maybe other countries and other institutions

997
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:51,860
like religious institutions it's you know
people who are interested need to be aware

998
01:41:51,860 --> 01:41:58,679
of that that the disclosure that they're expecting
it's going to take a different form for different

999
01:41:58,679 --> 01:42:06,040
institutions and everybody's excited about
this type of military disclosure or what you

1000
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:13,320
know whatever they call it um you know because
it's it's a site of absolute contention right

1001
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:20,280
now and um and I think that you know the things
that are going on quietly this isn't something

1002
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:25,849
that I learned with working with Tyler D over
the years that I worked with them uh is this

1003
01:42:25,849 --> 01:42:32,610
idea that what's really happening is all the
the very important things that are happening

1004
01:42:32,610 --> 01:42:36,310
the changes that are that are being done they're
going to be behind the scenes they're going

1005
01:42:36,310 --> 01:42:43,170
to be invisible almost you know except for
those who can kind of see how to identify

1006
01:42:43,170 --> 01:42:46,219
and and I think that that's that's really
important

1007
01:42:46,219 --> 01:43:00,070
well I like show over mic drop thanks everybody
please subscribe um thank you Diana pasoka

1008
01:43:00,070 --> 01:43:06,710
just laying it down um the true disclosure
happens behind the scenes um I will forever

1009
01:43:06,710 --> 01:43:13,820
now connect the word invisible with Diana
paselka she uses it so eloquently and it just

1010
01:43:13,820 --> 01:43:21,320
it just conjures so many images in my my weird
writer head but um yes military disclosure

1011
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:28,770
uh versus true disclosure I guess um we've
been saying it all night you've been saying

1012
01:43:28,770 --> 01:43:35,110
it I should say uh you know so much is going
on in the background that we don't know about

1013
01:43:35,110 --> 01:43:41,510
um and we're probably going to get the very
filtered version of that in the public eventually

1014
01:43:41,510 --> 01:43:47,170
um but yeah man I guess to kind of wrap things
up what do you make of that that last clip

1015
01:43:47,170 --> 01:43:56,061
there from Project Unity and um what is disclosure
to you I guess it's a very good question and

1016
01:43:56,061 --> 01:44:02,170
I think it evolves every time I get asked
him you know yeah I I take an observation

1017
01:44:02,170 --> 01:44:07,369
of a clip like what we just saw from Diana
is makes you think along hard and deep you

1018
01:44:07,369 --> 01:44:16,290
know we look we we always talk about you know
disclosure is it a president or a prominent

1019
01:44:16,290 --> 01:44:22,219
figure standing up and talking to the population
saying that we're being visited by a non-human

1020
01:44:22,219 --> 01:44:28,640
intelligence and you know we hear that buzzword
nhi recently with David rush but then you

1021
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:34,580
take you spend some time people looking at
the conversations that Diana's had recently

1022
01:44:34,580 --> 01:44:43,020
and it throws up all so many big questions
and so I don't have one answer I don't have

1023
01:44:43,020 --> 01:44:48,440
it I have some biases here and there but like
oh my goodness like you know I've been lucky

1024
01:44:48,440 --> 01:44:55,690
enough to have a an interview with Diana and
she Paints the picture that makes you think

1025
01:44:55,690 --> 01:45:02,801
long and hard about history and and maybe
your own thoughts and biases about life in

1026
01:45:02,801 --> 01:45:09,199
general not just non-human intelligence but
yeah we're ending on a big one there Ryan

1027
01:45:09,199 --> 01:45:17,880
man you really put me on the spot I know brother
well hey um I had I had the pleasure of reading

1028
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:27,110
her her upcoming book and um oof I haven't
cried at a book I think since uh I read Cormac

1029
01:45:27,110 --> 01:45:33,980
McCarthy's the road um recipes for Mike McCarthy
by the way okay that was the last time I cried

1030
01:45:33,980 --> 01:45:39,960
reading a book but I cried reading Diana's
new book so wow I don't know if that's a a

1031
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:47,219
testimonial or not but holy crap man she really
she puts things into a profound perspective

1032
01:45:47,219 --> 01:45:53,360
in such an accessible way um so we're moving
from rush hour to Diana pasoka our year it's

1033
01:45:53,360 --> 01:46:00,900
somewhere in the live stream um yes I I think
a lot of what she said really keeps things

1034
01:46:00,900 --> 01:46:05,469
in perspective so I couldn't think of a better
way to kind of uh to wrap things up here with

1035
01:46:05,469 --> 01:46:11,190
everything going on in the UFO Community amazing
um yeah yeah amazing amazing work all around

1036
01:46:11,190 --> 01:46:15,770
thank you to all the podcasts who uh we pulled
some clips from tonight thank you to Mike

1037
01:46:15,770 --> 01:46:21,219
over on Twitter um who puts a lot of these
clips together um Vinnie and I were talking

1038
01:46:21,219 --> 01:46:28,380
off air about how awesome and essential his
work is over there um making it easy for us

1039
01:46:28,380 --> 01:46:32,370
podcasters to kind of see what the highlights
were from a lot of these interviews and there's

1040
01:46:32,370 --> 01:46:38,070
so many good podcasts and YouTube channels
out there um and just not enough time for

1041
01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:42,920
everyone so that's kind of why I started doing
this um it's it's awesome that Mike's doing

1042
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:49,150
that so special shout out to him over on Twitter
Mike colorgiano am I getting that correct

1043
01:46:49,150 --> 01:46:54,340
I think so I think Mike Holland jealous yeah
okay awesome Mike thank you for all the hard

1044
01:46:54,340 --> 01:46:59,909
work you do brother we truly do appreciate
it but Vinnie you are just as comparatively

1045
01:46:59,909 --> 01:47:07,540
hard-working my friend and you have some amazing
events coming up so as we wrap things up here

1046
01:47:07,540 --> 01:47:12,520
tell us please a little about um these conferences
that you're going to be speaking at in the

1047
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:19,480
coming months here in 2023 I think I'm missing
one too uh no I think you're good okay yeah

1048
01:47:19,480 --> 01:47:24,750
no it's good yeah yeah so in about two weeks
time I'm gonna be flying out to Roswell New

1049
01:47:24,750 --> 01:47:31,330
Mexico to talk at the Roswell incident so
myself and my good friend and colleague Dan

1050
01:47:31,330 --> 01:47:35,210
zetterstrom are going to be speaking about
the work that we've been doing in Colombia

1051
01:47:35,210 --> 01:47:40,210
for the last couple of years uh it's gonna
be an amazing presentation we're just about

1052
01:47:40,210 --> 01:47:46,639
to launch season three on the 29th of June
so we're gonna be uh you know doing a talk

1053
01:47:46,639 --> 01:47:54,070
and all that I then have like let's go from
July to October I have the the run of the

1054
01:47:54,070 --> 01:48:00,830
UK conference scene which is you know new
to some degree post covid it's really picked

1055
01:48:00,830 --> 01:48:05,530
up back in here in the UK so that's really
impressive I'm so glad that the conversation

1056
01:48:05,530 --> 01:48:10,520
is happening again back here in England uh
but the big thing for me as well then to the

1057
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:16,830
end of the year is the echo conference I am
the uh honored to be the host of The Echo

1058
01:48:16,830 --> 01:48:24,409
Consortium for UAP studies and research in
Paris France with Jacque Valley Christopher

1059
01:48:24,409 --> 01:48:30,480
melon avilobe for two days talk about kind
of the science behind UAP it's going to be

1060
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:36,270
a huge event so I'm going to be kind of on
stage presenting all the guests in you know

1061
01:48:36,270 --> 01:48:41,179
introducing everyone and yeah so I guess that's
it with everything I've got going on as well

1062
01:48:41,179 --> 01:48:48,190
with my own stuff with disclosure team and
UAP media UK it's a busy end to 2023 I hope

1063
01:48:48,190 --> 01:48:53,440
you will all join us for the ride but Ryan
thank you so much brother my pleasure man

1064
01:48:53,440 --> 01:49:01,230
and I do want to add um Vinnie just had an
awesome interview uh with Kevin Day actually

1065
01:49:01,230 --> 01:49:06,610
who gave his thoughts on the grush thing and
so much more so please go check out that interview

1066
01:49:06,610 --> 01:49:14,280
as well um love me some Kevin day uh he's
just an awesome awesome dude um fighting the

1067
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:17,870
good fight out there but Vinnie I'm Gonna
Let You Go brother I'm gonna debrief with

1068
01:49:17,870 --> 01:49:23,610
the audience thank you so much for your time
your insights tonight um and as always thank

1069
01:49:23,610 --> 01:49:29,360
you so so much for joining me on somewhere
in the sky slash somewhere in the live stream

1070
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:34,280
pleasure thank you guys so much it's been
great all right my man have a great night

1071
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:44,110
cheers all right guys again be sure to check
out Vinnie at these events on your screen

1072
01:49:44,110 --> 01:49:50,640
right now um go over to his Twitter account
and we will be sure to uh to link to everything

1073
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:58,510
as well um so to debrief with you guys before
we go here I have a episode of somewhere in

1074
01:49:58,510 --> 01:50:05,760
the skies podcast dropping in just a few hours
for you results of Roswell UFO crash site

1075
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:11,139
materials with guests Frank Kimler he is a
geologist and Earth Science professor at the

1076
01:50:11,139 --> 01:50:18,320
uh the New Mexico Military Institute in Roswell
and he's found some very very interesting

1077
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:24,250
fragments and medals out there in the Roswell
desert crash site um which I had the immense

1078
01:50:24,250 --> 01:50:31,020
pleasure of joining him with um joining with
him excuse me I'm two guinnesses in um and

1079
01:50:31,020 --> 01:50:35,980
uh yeah it was an awesome awesome conversation
I really hope you enjoy it and what better

1080
01:50:35,980 --> 01:50:41,800
time to talk about Crash retrieval fragments
then with what Avi lobe is doing with his

1081
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:49,200
inter Interstellar Expedition and also with
this huge story of intact and partially intact

1082
01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:54,639
Allah fragments of possible UFO Craft um so
yeah check that out in just a couple hours

1083
01:50:54,639 --> 01:51:01,820
on your podcast feeds and premiering tomorrow
night on YouTube as well and um other than

1084
01:51:01,820 --> 01:51:06,020
that I want to make sure I'm not missing anything
oh please like subscribe all that good stuff

1085
01:51:06,020 --> 01:51:12,570
please do that um always appreciate that boosts
us up in the algorithms possibly gets us featured

1086
01:51:12,570 --> 01:51:18,889
on whatever podcast platforms or right here
on YouTube greatly greatly appreciate that

1087
01:51:18,889 --> 01:51:27,191
guys as well and um last and not least write
in review stories from somewhere in the sky

1088
01:51:27,191 --> 01:51:32,310
is my brand new book that just released um
if you can please head on over to Amazon and

1089
01:51:32,310 --> 01:51:37,260
write and review the book it truly does help
um the feedback I've had on the book has been

1090
01:51:37,260 --> 01:51:43,200
incredible um but again it wasn't a book written
by me it was written by the 50 people uh that

1091
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:49,570
I chose to include their stories in the book
and I thank them uh immensely for that so

1092
01:51:49,570 --> 01:51:53,929
yeah check out stories from somewhere in the
skies available on Amazon right now in paperback

1093
01:51:53,929 --> 01:52:00,420
in ebook and soon hopefully audiobook as well
so that's all I got guys stay tuned for that

1094
01:52:00,420 --> 01:52:04,940
episode dropping in just a couple hours of
summer in the skies be sure to check out Vinnie

1095
01:52:04,940 --> 01:52:10,380
and disclosure team and everything he's got
going on over there and as always keep your

1096
01:52:10,380 --> 01:52:26,409
feet on the ground but never stop searching
somewhere in this guys have a good day [Music]

1097
01:52:26,409 --> 01:52:38,280
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